CWA District 4 reaches tentative deal with AT&T

The only coward is the guy having his wife post comments on this post.

I respect the districts that finally settled, they are realistic and know the company is not going to give more or less and why should they. AT&T treats you all good, my husband works for them and I am very pleased at the pay and even the new health care coverage is not bad. Have you seen what most people have to pay? Get a grip at least you have a job. If AT&T was smart the districts that have not signed should be let go. they can hire people for less than what you make, Do you really think the union cares about you? If you do grow up and think again, you will not get more than the districts that already signed. If you had balls then go on strike and prove yourselves, oh that takes balls, I see you are all still working hmmmmm and for a nice paycheck. As far as I am concurned you are the greedy ones so grow up and sign already the crap and drama is getting real old now. I know my husband was in favor of settling and so were the others in his district, I keep ready all around people saying the men were not in favor bull crap they signed yes. I hope you lose your job and find out what having it so bad is really like. GROW UP YOU ARE THE COWARD.

Assuming that 44% did not vote is accurate, how does that compare with previous contracts? Any idea of "voter participation" in previous years?

NO truth to that rumor abour not returns counted as 'yes' votes. Local Presidents got the actual numbers of ballots cast and there were twices as many yes as no. The 44% that did not vote were not counted one way or the other. The ballots were counted by 25 rank and fle volunteers including some that were personally opposed to the contract. People on this board may not like the results but it was accurate.

Is there any truth that any ballot NOT returned(77%) was counted as a YES vote, and that all the ballots that WERE returned (23%) were mostly no?

So lets assume the retirees just should die and get it over with. Insurance is a thing of the past. Looks like cwa and att were in bed together

To the 2nd line posting...if you really are....

I, too, am a 2nd line in D6. I do love my job having landed a perfect fit for me. This after managing 1st line managers and union folks (and seeing first hand their work ethic) for several years. I was one of the few that recieved a personal bonus this year.

But, to say that I can't wait until Monday morning is farcical. This job is a means to an end for me. It is NOT my life. It simple allows me to fund my life.

Sorry folks - but I LOVE MY JOB AT AT&T!!! I am a 2nd level manager and couldn't be happier!!!! I can't wait until it's Monday morning!

D4 Prem Tech says " let the bumping begin "
I was looking for a job when i found this one !!
IN THE USA TODAY YA JUST KINDA GET USE TO SAYING THAT !!!
YOU PEOPLE UNDER SIXTY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT !!

You probably just typed the verification phrase wrong. This site can't possibly censor much considering some of the vile union filth that's posted here...multiple f-bombs and references to the AT&T CEO's anatomy and so forth.

This website is about as weak as our union! I have posted 2 messages on here and they were displayed at first and then deleted. I guess if we do not say what they want to hear then you do not get your say! This site sucks!

Yes, this is good advice.

Another bit of advice would be to get involved. If you don't like how your local or your district is being run then, either step up, speak up, or shut up.

That last item is really not meant in a mean way but, in reality, anyone can point fingers at what's wrong. A true leader will take the bull by the proverbial horns and get involved, in the effort to make a positive difference for his fellow union members/co-workers.

4 AND 9 HAVE NO BALLS, UNLIKE MILBURN WHO DOES CARE ABOUT HIS DISTRICTS MEMBERS AND IS TRYING TO STAND UP TO AT$T CORPORATE GREED.

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Yea, thanks to those D4 negotiators who laid it out for their members to vote. Thank goodness we have posters like the genius above who believes we're too stupid to vote in our interests.

The Whitacre Award is AT&T's newest award of distinction that awards top recognition for outstanding customer service to employees who have gone to heroic lengths and made big personal sacrifices to provide great service to our customers in extreme situations. The winner receives a substantial cash award and a trophy to commemorate his or her actions.

And this years winner is Larry Cohen of CWA

4 AND 9 HAVE NO BALLS, UNLIKE MILBURN WHO DOES CARE ABOUT HIS DISTRICTS MEMBERS AND IS TRYING TO STAND UP TO AT$T CORPORATE GREED.

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Posted by Anonymous | August 12, 2009 - 9:52pm

No actually the sign of an abject coward, would be someone pretending to be a DUES PAYING UNION MEMBER of D6, complaining on a blog anonymously, instead of contacting their Union directly or expressing their feelings in a Union meeting.

this is very frustrating man .. very

Doesn't the CWA have alot of RIF RAF that they need to dispose of before they ask for anything?

How about for Milburn to get off the pot? He's been at it for 4 months (and that's after expiration) and D6 is the most secretive of every district and has seemingly made the least amount of movement. They clearly don't trust us or else they fear that that the vote will be so overwhelmingly for the proposed contract that they'll lose faith by actually putting it up to our vote. The ongoing, drawn-out secrecy is the sign of an abject coward.

What do you want?

AT LEAST 4 AND 9 HAVE BALLS UNLIKE MILBURN WHO DOESN'T EVEN CARE IF WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OR NOT. GIVE ME ROSEN OVER THIS GUY ANY DAY.

One again D6 gives absolutely no information about what's going on - not a hint of what's remotely agreed to or not. D3 gives thoughtful insights to how the negotiations are going, without showing its hand, and they trust their own members to make decisions.

Milburn's only tactic is to withhold as much information from us as possible in hopes that we 'trust him' to do the best while we're kept in the dark. I have no confidence whatsoever in him anymore.

This video/song I saw on a local of District 3's website shows a union worker in Detroit. It made me cry! It makes you see the realization of the hurt and torment of the area! Watch! So sad! http://www.cwa3603.net/

DUH! Of course it's is the same financial package with monies just reslotted in different places. D6 and D3 will get the same "finanacial package". Same argument could be made about LBFO but D6 was too ignorant to understand it.

"$1500 to all active employees on ratification date who would have been eligible for 2008 TPA.

Maybe you don't understand math very well but that is a nice little payment to everyone who ratifies the agreement. I didn't see that in D4's TA did you?"

Nope. However, the D4 people all get the HRAs money ($1500 tax free for family), the 95% of D9 that are in Kaiser don't get the HRA money. It looks to me like it is exactly the same economic package, they just moved the money around a little. There may be other differences in the details (still don't have enough info yet), but it appears that the total cost of the deal is probably identical.

Posted by Anonymous | August 12, 2009 - 12:51am

The one difference you might not have noticed is the lovely little line in D9's TA.
Team Award Replaced with SSP (Success Sharing Plan)
$1500 to all active employees on ratification date who would have been eligible for 2008 TPA.

Maybe you don't understand math very well but that is a nice little payment to everyone who ratifies the agreement. I didn't see that in D4's TA did you?
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WOW, I see your point, It looks like AT$T decided to bribe the Members in D9 to vote yes, Instead of just the LEADERS in D4 who fixed the vote.

Posted by Anonymous | August 11, 2009 - 4:57pm

The summary of D9 is virtually identical to the summary of D4. Now there may be important differences in the details, but there are not any details like that in Bulletin # 78 so how could we know? Evidently, people just have an agenda or point they want to make and take pride in ignoring the facts. I'm interested in facts, not insults and slogans...I suppose I'm in the wrong place.
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The one difference you might not have noticed is the lovely little line in D9's TA.
Team Award Replaced with SSP (Success Sharing Plan)
$1500 to all active employees on ratification date who would have been eligible for 2008 TPA.

Maybe you don't understand math very well but that is a nice little payment to everyone who ratifies the agreement. I didn't see that in D4's TA did you?

RE: COMMENT ON STRIKING AND AT&T CAN REPLACE OUR JOBS! Uh, NOOOOO They can't. We have the right to strike and we are protected. If they lock us out, they can take our health insurance away and replace us, I believe after so much time. Just for your INFO.

The union should have stood up for our hardworking union brothers and sisters, afterall they extort us every month for dues. what have they done for us lately,they agreed to a contract that will help at&t turn even more profit during the recession. The union is no better than at&t. What happened to all the tough talk...Some union we have

Why are you people saying congrats ? Congrats for what? Congrats now you have to pay a lot of money for your medical? congrats to service reps who are now under the new 40% 60% title? so 40 percent of your hourly rate is based on meeting a quota? yeah nice.. congrats to all the sts and cable guys that can now " BUMP " prem techs.. and its written on the update they put up as if it was a GREAT THING .. like hey .. guess what?!?!? YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUMP THE PREMISE TECHS you have first dibs? WHAT?!!?!?!?! thats basically saying hey .. guess what.. they are going to surplus your position its coming for sure and we just took it and agreed to it great congrats.. now you can go to a top pay of about 21 dollars an hour.. factor in the loss per hour plus all the shit you got to pay now for your health care and .. ? CONGRATS WHAT?

And for that guy who says he supported his " superiors " his UNION LEADERS... you ask why wouldnt you do what they said? because YOU ARE the union .. and you should have told them to decline.

This is not a good contract at all. What we have now is what we should be keeping since the company is not losing money, they are making a lot of money so this is just a way for them to make EVEN MORE. There is no reason why they should not leave healthcare as it is. All this is going to do is make an entry point so that next contract they bargain from this point on and make us pay even more. The whole Prem tech thing is also unclear, and its inappropriate for the Union not to clarify what is meant when they know most people are very interested in knowing if the PTs are going to be able to access our plant. They should be more clear.

whats the new top pay for the prem tech position??

WHO are you people and why do take so much pride in not thinking or engaging in rational discourse. here's a good example:

"I just read the D9 Bargaining bulletin #78 and I think D9's TA is much better then D4's. As a matter of fact I surely hope that D6 is able to get something close to D9's because D9's is actually going to honestly be voted in unlike what went on in D4."

The summary of D9 is virtually identical to the summary of D4. Now there may be important differences in the details, but there are not any details like that in Bulletin # 78 so how could we know? Evidently, people just have an agenda or point they want to make and take pride in ignoring the facts. I'm interested in facts, not insults and slogans...I suppose I'm in the wrong place.

I just read the D9 Bargaining bulletin #78 and I think D9's TA is much better then D4's. As a matter of fact I surely hope that D6 is able to get something close to D9's because D9's is actually going to honestly be voted in unlike what went on in D4.

And don't forget.....preventive care, ie, well-woman, well-child, well-man...annual physicals are 100% paid for and DO NOT REQUIRE that a deductible be met. Gee.....maybe the company is just wanting you to be a little more responsible with your health.

Which will be cheaper ??
Send I&R to Uverse training
Or Prem Techs to pole chlimbing
AT&T will choose their option

Anonymous 08-10-09, 2:45 PM

"what does this mean? Provides annual medical out-of-pocket maximums for network providers will be $1,000 for individuals and $3,000 for families in each of the three years of the agreement"

Anonymous,

This is only part of it but, I'll try to explain what all this means. If you choose the Point of Service Plan (POS) plan, like Blue Cross/Blue Shield, you will see the following beginning January 1, 2010:

1) $35 individual, $75 family Premium co-pay;

For office visits and procedures, you'll pay
a $350 individual OR $700 family deductible
before the company will pay any portion. Once you
have met the deductible, you'll pay 10% of any charges up to $1000 (individual) OR $3000 (family) out of pocket if the doctors and/or hospitals are "in network"; if out of network, $3000 OR $6000. After that, the company will pay the rest.

Presently, for folks having POS, there is a $20 office visit co-pay and $75 emergency room co-pay. That's it.

Now, you know why some of us are really NOT satisfied at all with the TA's thus far.

you are right on co insurance..you pay 10%

Can anyone tell me what "co-insurance" is? My workmates think it means if your spouse has their own insurance ATT will pay 90%. I think it may mean that we'll be on the hook for that 10%...

Current Kaiser HMO plan continued to be offered unchanged from its current form. So there is no change for me and my family cause we have kaiser, thans its a good contract!!!!!!

Current Kaiser HMO plan continued to be offered unchanged from its current form; modest contributions may be required in the future, but only if the costs of the Kaiser plan exceed those of the Company plan so does this statement above mean that there is no change if you have kaiser????

Prem techs becoming regular employees is AT&T speak for, all I&R will be taking a pay cut, because we're all gonna be surplused into prem tech.

D9's TA is quite different from D4's contract.

Says prem techs are now "regular" employees. Does that mean they are now considered core, albeit at a much lower wage?

Raises and health care looks pretty good IMHO.

As far a core job classification security, I can not find enough details to form an opinion.

Come on D3, I have some home improvements I'd like to do with my strike fund!

what does this mean? Provides annual medical out-of-pocket maximums for network providers will be $1,000 for individuals and $3,000 for families in each of the three years of the agreement

These are some of details on the D9 tentative agreement taken from AT&T's website
http://www.att.com/Common/docs/cwesthighlites0810.pdf

Will be similar to D4. The vote will be similar to D4 as well.

D9 here and i will vote NO!!!!!!!!! details not out yet but u and i know it will mirrior D4

D9 has 23,000 workers, so there are now 41,500 that won't be striking. The whole theory of wait til D3 expires was just speculation. Neither the union, nor the company actually took that seriously. Like I said all along, there is not going to be a strike. It would be foolish to give the company the right to permanently replace the union workers and leave the striking workers unemployed. Don't think for a minute that the company hasn't seriously thought about it.

D9 has a TA. No details have been released at this time. I would think it would be a safe bet to assume it mirrors D4.

Hard to see how D1, D6, and D3 doesn't fall in line with similar TA's.

Even though it can be a assumed that both sides have known a D9 TA was essentially in the bag for some time now, at least they had the courtesy not to announce until after the expiration of D3's contract, and D4's ratification vote.

Guess our slogan next time will be divided we fall one by one.

"- But sadly this was not the case, many of them did not even receive their ballot to mail in, others received them in the mail one day prior to the vote- with no time to even mail them in or to have their votes accounted for."

If anyone was missing ballots or receiving ballots late, it was in the same proportions as the vote anyway. It's not like some statistical miracle was going to happen if more people got ballots. The vote wasn't even close from what I'm hearing (about 2-1 for)